A very probable logical answer, and in harmony with scripture, is the tablet theory uncovered by Air Commodore P.J. Wiseman in his work, Ancient Records and the Structure of Genesis.
http://www.trueorigin.org/tablet.asp
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Who really wrote the bible
by jacethespace ini was always taught when i joined jws that moses wrote all of the book of genesis.in the all scripture inspired book on page 13 verse 3 it says:.
jehovah god is the author of the bible but he inspired moses to write the book of genesis.from where did moses get the information he recorded in genesis?
some could have been recieved directly by divine revelation and some under the direction of holy spirit.. verse 5 says- there is no question as to who wrote genesis.. well yes there was, in the watchtower magazine 1959 10/1 [ could be 1/10, depending on which country your in] called -finding the truth that makes men free [ taken from the watchtower program 2004] section 15 has this to say:.
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Who really wrote the bible
by jacethespace ini was always taught when i joined jws that moses wrote all of the book of genesis.in the all scripture inspired book on page 13 verse 3 it says:.
jehovah god is the author of the bible but he inspired moses to write the book of genesis.from where did moses get the information he recorded in genesis?
some could have been recieved directly by divine revelation and some under the direction of holy spirit.. verse 5 says- there is no question as to who wrote genesis.. well yes there was, in the watchtower magazine 1959 10/1 [ could be 1/10, depending on which country your in] called -finding the truth that makes men free [ taken from the watchtower program 2004] section 15 has this to say:.
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A very probable logical answer, and in harmony with scripture, is the tablet theory uncovered by Air Commodore P.J. Wiseman in his work, Ancient Records and the Structure of Genesis.
http://www.trueorigin.org/tablet.asp
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Earth is growing!
by the sage inif the earth is growing that means there was a flood.
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If the earth is growing that means there was a flood. The Sage!
Subject: the earth is growing!
Please watch this video FIRST, then come back to this e-mail to read the rest of the dialogue for consideration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjgidAICoQI
This new information on the possibility of an expanding earth that created the separation of continents and continues to separate the continents is earth shaking. It can change the entire view of how time and events on earth took place. For example, it can give us a much better understanding of Genesis 10:16 "And Peleg was a mighty man, for in his days was the earth divided."
Consider this; perhaps the measurements of time are affected by the expansion of the earth. Everything in science is held on the assumption of consistency until there is evidence of something being inconsistent. Therefore, we have assumed that the earth was created and has always been this size. It appears there may now be ample evidence to throw that assumption out and adopt a new schema that allows for an expanding earth. Not only is our universe apparently expanding, so is the very planet we live on. But, even in this new concept there is the assumption that the expansion was achieved at a constant and consistent rate. Perhaps the expansion has actually been a series of cycles of rapid and slow, catastrophic and subtle events. Then, can we count on our concepts of "radioactive half-life" (Carbon-14 dating) to provide an accurate picture when catastrophic events may have changed the nature of the carbon in the process, or even the forces that are causing the
earth to expand may be creating a more rapid effect on those "older" isotopes. Bottom-line; dating beyond 5,000 years, such as the earth being 5 billion years old, may in fact be inaccurate because the size of the earth is in flux and the forces that keep it in flux are creating effects not considered in our equations.
Additionally, the rotation speed of the smaller earth must be taken into consideration. Even though one day is measured by how long it is from sunrise to sunrise, did that measurement still come out to the time we measure as 24 hours in a day, 60 minutes in an hour, 60 seconds in a minute--each second approximately the length of a heartbeat? This equates to approximately 86,400 heartbeats (seconds) per day. What if the earth rotated faster than it does now and the number of heartbeats per day was only 57,000? A man who lives to be 70 in our time actually lived to be 106 in this faster rotation cycle. Perhaps the earth's rotation is actually slowing down as it gets larger. Has it changed much over the last two-hundred years? Not that we know. But, perhaps we have been going through one of those "subtle cycles." Perhaps we are about to enter into a shift that will be more "catastrophic" and that will again change the length of time it takes to complete the cycle
from sunrise to sunrise.
If, therefore, the dating is not reliable, then we must use the same methods that the Bible and other scriptures use to help us understand the past with some accuracy--Chronology. What happened before and what happened after a particular event. Consider Peleg. If the land was "divided" in his time, then where does this place the initial division of the continents? After Noah, but somewhere around the Tower of Babel. Peleg was the fourth generation from Noah. Noah was Peleg's Great Great Grandfather. Now, I can not find where it says how many years or even generations after the flood that the Tower of Babel was built. Genesis gives the generations of Noah after the flood and how they were divided upon the earth after the flood. The very next chapter then begins to tell the tale of the Tower of Babel and explains the generations from Shem to Abraham (Abram) which brings us to the understanding the Abram was born 272 years after the flood. But, somewhere in the 239
years that Peleg lived the land was divided, and we can not know for certain how long before or after this the Lord confounded the languages and brought the Jaredites out of Ur and into the land of promise.
The point I am trying to make is that the earth has been expanding over the millennia. Perhaps the gaps and stretches of ocean between continents were not near as large or as problematic as our present earth insinuates. Perhaps the trek the Jaredites made was not as near as long an adventure as it would be today because our earth may have experienced several growing pains since that time that has expanded the total circumference and considerably increased the distance across the oceans. 4,500 year ago the trek from the mouth of the Yellow River in China to the Pacific coast of Mexico may have been much more probable than many modern archaeologists can conceive!
This is definitely food for thought and brings a whole new dimension into the equation. This exciting information weakens the evolutionist position and gives hope to the creationist position! It further illustrates how those who try to deny God's existence "pick and choose" what information they are willing to share with the general public and incorporate into their curriculum.
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breaking story!
by the sage incurrent breaking story on sir isaac newton's prophecies of the second coming of christ, confirming, the research of many of us ex-jw's.
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Current breaking story on Sir Isaac Newton's prophecies of the second coming of Christ, confirming, the research of many of us ex-JW's. Check it out! The Sage
Isaac Newton's Prophecies Revealed to Public for First Time in Jerusalem—Makes Prediction About Second Coming of Christ by AP/TN : Jun 20, 2007 : AP
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070619/28049_Papers_Show_Isaac_Newton%27s_Religious_Side%2C_Predict_Date_of_Apocalypse.htmBelieved the temple in Jerusalem mirrored the cosmos and that Christ would not return until at least the year 2060, and maybe later. Said Newton, 300 years ago: "This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fanciful men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, and by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail."
(Jerusalem)-One of the world's greatest scientists of all time, Sir Isaac Newton, was known for his spectacular breakthroughs in science and astronomy, but he was also a deeply religious man. Now it is revealed that documents by Newton, purchased by a Jewish scholar at a Sotheby's auction in London in 1936 and kept safe in Israel's national library in Jerusalem since 1969, and which were reportedly available for decades only to a small number of scholars, have for the first time been opened to the public.
According to an AP report, the 300-year-old manuscripts calculate the exact date of the apocalypse (no earlier than 2060, according to Newton who used the book of Daniel for his calculations), and detail the precise dimensions of the ancient temple in Jerusalem, besides some Bible interpretations as well. (Photo: AP / The Jewish National and University Library, handout)"It may end later," noted Newton, referring to the Second Coming of Christ, "but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fanciful men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, and by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail."
In another document, Newton reportedly interpreted biblical prophecies to mean that the Jews would return to the Holy Land before the world ends. The end of days will see "the ruin of the wicked nations, the end of weeping and of all troubles, the return of the Jews captivity and their setting up a flourishing and everlasting Kingdom."
The placement of, and exact dimensions of the temple in Jerusalem mirror the arrangement of the cosmos, Newton adds.
Yemima Ben-Menahem, one of the exhibit's curators, is quoted as saying that the Newton papers complicate the idea that science is diametrically opposed to religion. "These documents show a scientist guided by religious fervor, by a desire to see God's actions in the world," she said.
More prosaic documents on display show Newton keeping track of his income and expenses while a scholar at Cambridge and later, as master of the Royal Mint, negotiating with a group of miners from Devon and Cornwall about the price of the tin they supplied to Queen Anne.
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help need words to song by kenny rogers!
by the sage inlooked on google, ask, and yahoo but can't fine words to a song by kenny rogers.
thought about this forum.
maybe someone ot there can help me.
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Thanks Misanthropic!
If you don't get it tonight , no problem! If you do find it in the next couple of days that would be great. Any help is appreciated. Thanks again!
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help need words to song by kenny rogers!
by the sage inlooked on google, ask, and yahoo but can't fine words to a song by kenny rogers.
thought about this forum.
maybe someone ot there can help me.
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Looked on google, ask, and yahoo but can't fine words to a song by kenny rogers. Thought about this forum. Maybe someone ot there can help me. The title could be, the crucifiction, or, a little more like me. The opening verse, I believe goes something like this: It was a sunny day the clouds were gray, it looked like it might rain, I thought about the night before and I was so ashamed. When I heard what they had done to him the stranger I had known. I'm sure I would have liked him more if he were a little more like me. Appreciate your help. Thanks!
I posted this earlier under bible research. In case you might not go there tonight, hoping someone seeing this can help me. The Sage!
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help! need words to a song by kenny rogers
by the sage inlooked on google, ask, and yahoo but can't fine words to a song by kenny rogers.
thought about this forum.
maybe someone ot there can help me.
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Looked on google, ask, and yahoo but can't fine words to a song by kenny rogers. Thought about this forum. Maybe someone ot there can help me. The title could be, the crucifiction, or, a little more like me. The opening verse, I believe goes something like this: It was a sunny day the clouds were gray, it looked like it might rain, I thought about the night before and I was so ashamed. When I heard what they had done to him the stranger I had known. I'm sure I would have liked him more if he were a little more like me. Appreciate your help. Thanks!
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Bible books before Genesis and where did Moses get his information from?
by truthseeker inalthough considered the first book of the bible, have there ever been suggestions of works earlier than genesis?.
where did moses get his information from regarding the creative days and the adamic family tree?.
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The Tablet Theory of Genesis Authorship
Truthseeker!
A very reasonable and logical answer for all truth seekers.
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Secret files of the Inquisition!
by the sage indocumentary this month on pbs.
need to check your local listing.. the catholic church after 600 years, has open the archives on 'the secrete files of the inquisition'.
was shown earlier this month, is to be shown again on the 16th and 17th in some areas.
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Documentary this month on PBS. Need to check your local listing.
The Catholic church after 600 years, has open the archives on 'The secrete files of the Inquisition'. Was shown earlier this month, is to be shown again on the 16th and 17th in some areas. An absolutely outstanding expose' on religious fanaticism and cult mentality.
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According to an AP report, the 300-year-old manuscripts calculate the exact date of the apocalypse (no earlier than 2060, according to Newton who used the book of Daniel for his calculations), and detail the precise dimensions of the ancient temple in Jerusalem, besides some Bible interpretations as well. (Photo: AP / The Jewish National and University Library, handout)